Wednesday, May 18, 2011

Don't Be a Film Snob - Think Inclusion, Not Exclusion

Earlier today, I was speaking with someone who works at a film society. The lady informed me that their programmers weren't teenagers looking at a computer screen but rather adults who sat in movie theaters while programming. Her elitist, rather ignorant comment hit several nerves with me.

1. Does she really think we (the industry, society, film festivals, film societies) want to exclude well-informed teens from the process of sharing indie films with larger audiences? Wouldn't we be better off ensuring that we reach the younger audiences. Who is more in tune with the teen audience - a 35-50 year-old or a teenager? Equate it to this, older people prefer phones or emails. Younger people prefer to text. You may tell them your way is better but it doesn't mean they'll believe you or start doing it your way. It is important to include teens in the conversation of independent film - from beginning to end. As a result, we will all benefit.

2. Did this lady really think most programmers watch the films on the big screen rather than on their computers at home or at the office? (In case you don't know, the majority of programmers watch films on small screens whether it be a TV or computer.)


What's Wrong With Elitism?
The main problem with this small-minded, narrow and elitist attitude is that the festival circuit losing the younger audiences and excluding them from the process is not going to improve this situation. Most festival goers are at least 35 years old. So, yes, many programmers are reaching their own demographic but the industry needs to embrace younger generations if they plan on gaining a younger crowd and hence survive. A middle-aged programmer is most likely not going to get the same out of a film that a teen might. Why would anyone condemn teen participation on any level rather than wanting that demographic represented and embraced? It is foolishly short-sighted and incredibly harmful to the longevity of our industry.

Snobby elitists are by definition some of the most narrow-minded, exclusionary people without reason generally basing their actions and reactions of fear and a lack of self-worth rather than any real basis for their holier-than-though attitudes. Quite unfortunately, there are a ton of these misguided souls in the independent film world. Thankfully, there are also a lot of well-rounded, respectful film lovers who wish to create and share indie films with the masses.

Where the Future Leads
The snob mentality is the past and on it's way out. There are too many people around the world feeling the pains of financial strain to carry on such high-falootin' airs... yet people of all backgrounds tend to be very creative. The industry can't sustain the damage that the snob mindset is doing to itself. Rather, it needs forward thinking equalists who are less concerned with appearance and attitude than they are with substance and quality of films. Arnold and Maria are a great example of a facade that way too many people - including themselves - bought into. (Side note: When indie filmmakers can begin to profit off their own work rather than continue to surrender their films to greedy middlemen much of this arrogance will be a thing of the past.)

If we don't embrace the Y Generation then the they won't embrace the independent film world either. We want the youth to be involved in expressing their voices freely and articulately in the medium of film whether they be programmers or filmmakers. We want them informed, curious and participatory. If we do not offer this opportunity to them then we will most likely hurt the industry as a whole. Maybe teens turn to video games instead of films because what is offered to them on a mass basis is generally lowball crap whereas video games actually stimulate and intrigue them. To disrespect the need and value of the Y Generation is fool-hearted at best and down right negligent as an industry.

Walking the Talk
My teen daughter knows more about film then most people her age or not. No, she doesn't know everything, but who does? She is better qualified then a lot of programmers and has a more practical and educational film background then many when it comes to choosing films. She programmed films like FIX starring Olivia Wilde before she was famous and HOW TO BE starring the then-unknown Robert Pattinson. There are a lot of films out there that older programmers aren't interested in and don't 'get' but her generation would love if we'd give them the chance to see them. She fought hard to get both FIX and HOW TO BE in the festival. Her choices were solid. She stood by them and as a festival we benefited from her input. Neither film would have been in the festival if it was not for that then 15 -16 year old. HOW TO BE won Best Actor in 2008. FIX won Best Film in 2009. Both films were packed. As a global society we are dead wrong to discount the importance, knowledge, input or intelligence of our youth. How can we raise productive members of society without allowing them to learn and be part of the process. This teenager has always been the festival's most dedicated and enthusiastic supporter of documentary films. Age matters less than sensibilities.

Inclusion Not Elitism
Including our youth is essential to the film industry. The lack of interest in films by our youth is evidence of this fact! It's interesting how people who work for companies with more expensive equipment or more money think that anything less should be treated with disdain. We call d'em folks 'Snobs'! Unfortunately, this unwielded ignorance that runs rampant in the film industry does nothing but keep indie filmmakers oppressed by under-educated, culturally-lacking, conservatism.

Ignorance is Bliss
The lady on the other end of the line also proclaimed that independent filmmakers need public relations representatives to help get their films out seen. How ignorantly snobby and insensitive can someone be? Is she indirectly saying that if someone can't afford a PR person they don't deserve to get their film seen because anyone who is anyone would, of course, be repped! Grrrrr. I guess this goes along with her theory that programmers with 24/7 access to movie screens are better than programmers who watch films on their computers or TVs? I personally wouldn't mind if a programmer was sitting on the pot taking a two hour dump while watching a film on an iPhone as long as the person was qualified, open-minded, could hear and see the screen fine and had the same interests as the festival.

Okay, let's examine the PR statement from a rational, realistic and informed viewpoint. Most independent filmmakers are broke spending every cent and more on the production of on their films which 999 times out of 1000 will never earn a profit. Now their work should be discarded and not considered relevant because the filmmaker doesn't have the means to hire a PR person? What about the filmmaker from North Carolina, Macedonia or Bolivia? Should we just discard these films because they aren't well-represented? This is why countries like France, Germany and Norway get their smaller films screened. These countries have the money to take the films to festivals and spend on PR. Maybe that's why the majority of films screened through this particular film society are already on the festival circuit and have momentum behind them.


Obligation and Opportunity to Serve the Independent Film World
Film Societies have the opportunity, if not responsibility, to bring new and retrospective works to local audiences. To coast on one's laurels by picking previously viewed, tried and true films from franchises (specifically speaking of governmentally sponsored film commissions) which programmers pick up at the largest of festivals might save them the time of actually seeking out new works and might make their peacock feathers ruffle but also does an absolute disservice to the independent film world. Maybe serving the independent film world is not their job. Maybe it's not their concern. But then, hey, maybe they shouldn't mock it because some of us really do give a shit!





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Monday, May 9, 2011

Netflix's Paltry Payout to Indie Filmmakers

Quite unfortunately, Netflix has been the best option around for many independent filmmakers albeit difficult to get onto if possible at all.

Netflix has a built-in audience so the chance of getting your film seen via this online option is more likely then a site like Amazon which, in effect, is a needle in a haystack scenario for indie films.

Repeatedly, we watch independent filmmakers pushing so hard to get onto Netflix you can feel the labor pains... but to what avail?

From what I've read Netflix buys dvds from indie filmmakers in lots of 100 and pays anywhere from $4-16 per dvd. I have not heard any numbers of what Netflix pays for streaming. If you have please comment and let us know. Knowledge is power. Let's get independent filmmakers educated about the facts of the game so they know whether or not it is the right game (ie. distribution option) for them.

Back to the numbers. If Netflix pays a filmmaker $4 per dvd at 100 dvds per pop, the filmmaker has only made a paltry $400 for the feature film. On the high end, Netflix is willing to pay $1600. If you've heard higher numbers for independent film payouts through Netflix please let us know. We'd all like to know that the numbers are much higher than a measly $400-1600 for all the hard work that goes into making a film.

These incredibly low standards and self-imposed expectations are why filmmakers sing to the chorus of "It's not about the money, it's about getting your film seen." and "Don't expect to making a living off your work." Dumb songs if you ask me. It's time we start hearing filmmakers singing to the chorus of "I'm living off the profits of my film." and "I made enough from my last film to support me and I'm working on my next project." and how about "I love my career and the life it affords me." and "It's great to share my work with so many and make a living from it."

Netflix is not a winning scenario for filmmaker. Just wait. Better is right around the corner. Netflix helps themselves, not indie filmmakers (not even studios or the industry, as a whole, for that matter). Don't be in a hurry to sell yourself short.

Oh... and if Netflix reorders an independent film from the distributor they'll just buy replacements because the dvds that were in stock were damaged or destroyed. That's really all Netflix has to offer independent filmmakers and quite honestly, it's not worth it.

Be patient. Better is coming. Don't be in such a hurry to get rid of your rights. You can move forward with your next project with or without giving up the rights to your film or selling yourself short. So hold tight, trust and allow yourself the possibility to earn a reasonable living off your work in the future. The times are changing. Be part of the change in a positive way that will monetarily benefit you and your future.

Let's say you decide the $400-$1600 is worth it. Did you figure in the cost of the distributor, the dvds, shipping? Really? If that's the best the industry has to offer you're too good for it, deserve better and should hold out for better. It's coming. I promise you. Do not sell yourself short. Demand and wait for better. Good movies are always good. Those companies snagging your films as they tell you the films aren't worth anything understand how valuable your work it. You should, too! Stop listening to thieves if you don't want to get ripped off!


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Friday, May 6, 2011

"People in Power Need People Like You (Indie Filmmakers)

Independent FilmCharlie Rose and Joe Roth at 2011 Tribeca Film Festival

Brian Grazer once called Joe Roth‘the last mogul’. I would assume that was before Harvey Weinstein was firmly planted in the sandbox.

Roth discussed a bit of his work history such as how he would hire good people and how he set up a system where he could make 5 films a year to sell to Sony - films like Blackhawk Down. This process went on. He increased his numbers and eventually got so big that Sony resented his presence.

Roth owns his films - 47 of them.

If you are an independent filmmaker it is very important to note that both Joe Roth and Harvey Weinstein saw fit to keep ownership of their work. Both of these filmmakers are very well established and powerful. They own their libraries of films. They own their films. How about you? What are you doing with your library. Your films. Your future. Your legacy. Are you giving it away for free or protecting it, holding onto it until the day you can profit from it? Keep your rights. It is not the number of hits on YouTube that will make you wealthy. It is creating an income for yourself from the ownership of your library. You worked to create it. Keep it! It is valuable.

Over the course of time, Roth has slowed down a bit making far fewer films than in previous years. He prefers his lifestyle now. He even took a little hiatus to coach soccer. Who knew? He attributes some of his success to his street smarts and sensibilities. He is a ‘content person, not a traditional business person’. Unlike when Roth started out, now there is an ability to make films inexpensively.

When reading a script, he looks for ‘absolutely nothing’. He has ‘no expectations’ and ‘does not judge’ the work until after he finishes it... just like watching a movie. He reads scripts in about the same amount of time that it takes a person to watch a film. This was something he taught himself early on. He reads about 300 scripts per year and only critiques it after he has finished reading it. He looks for something that hits a ‘primal nerve’.

Roth states that ‘People in power need people like you more than (we) need him’. Studios are desperate for you to be good or the system fails!(Note: That is why you never need to worry about the competition.)

Rose inquires, “What does a producer do?” Roth says that in the best of worlds a producer is the first man in and the last man out. The producer gets the money, talent, marketing plan and hopefully the film he wanted.


Roth has directed six films. He wanted to be a better director but had to look in the mirror and admit that he is a better producer. He’s better at business than the creative part. He wasn’t bursting at the seams with ideas unlike many of the directors he works with. He decided to stick with what he is good at.


Roth notes that a lot of the middle has dropped out. He believes that cutting out the middleman is good allowing for more control.

Roth believes that studios should buy theatres. He admits he is alone on this but feels it would allow the film creators more control over distribution and the process of bringing a film to an audience. He feels that a film lives or dies in the first 30 days but that some films need time to develop and leaving the run of a film in the hands of people who care about popcorn sales isn’t the best for a film. He elaborates that putting billions of dollars into films and having no control over distribution equates to bad business.

Currently, it is illegal for studios to own theaters. I believe the reason was so that studios could not control (and perhaps manipulate and promote propaganda) what audiences see, think and feel. It used to be the case that media could not be owned by corporations on the scale they are now. We used to have many independent radio stations and freer TV. With fewer companies ruling the media world Americans have less opinions and hear fewer viewpoints and the industry becomes narrowed and more controlled in almost a heavy handed manner by corporations... and at this point, political parties (or, again, the corporations behind them).

Roth feels that Premium VOD is a positive transition and that people want to see what they want, where they want and when they want to see it. 95% of a movie’s gross is achieved in the first 30 days in a theatre. VOD increases flexibility. Currently there is a hold time of about 8 weeks before films are released on DVD. This creates a 4 week window when the film is not available at all except through piracy. Premium VOD could close that gap.

Roth observes that the ‘history of movies is additive’ and therefore VOD is just another addition to history. The industry has always reacted with ‘We’re dead’ when change comes - such was the case with TV, VCR, DVD and such is the case now with the internet.

Moving onto what Roth is doing now he says, “The movies I’m doing now are in the public domain so they’re all free. To develop material doesn’t cost me anything.” This allows him strong leverage and no loss.

Charlie Rose asks, “It’s hard to create anything, so why are there so many bad movies?”

Roth explains that it is a numbers thing. You start off with your first choice director but can end up with your ninth choice. There is often compromise all the way through... with the script, the actors, etc. Things get watered down in the process. Roth says that while driving to a preview undoubtedly the chicken comes to roost. He says he’s usually right in knowing what the audience reaction will be, that out of about 300 films only once was he wrong.

Charlie Rose asked, “Is it art?”

Roth says that ‘there are some artists. Who am I to judge?” and that ‘movies are not linear. You do not have to enjoy all of it.’ You can like a film but not be crazy about the ending, or the supporting actor, etc.


Questions from the Peanut Gallery

PG: Can you talk a little about post ‘08 financing?

JR: There is a gigantic worldwide audience for art films - Black Swan, King’s Speech - King’s Speech cost something like $13-14 million to make and will bring in $200 million worldwide

Note: Listen to the experts. Harvey Weinstein basically says the same thing. In fact, Weinstein claims that 2011 will be his best year, financially, ever.


JR: Discusses how ‘A Boy’s Life’ was shot down by pre-marketing but ended up doing fine. Therefore he doesn’t believe in pre-marketing. Oh, ‘A Boy’s Life’ changed names and became known as ‘ET’.

(Note: Couldn’t hear many of the questions... hence, answers only.)

JR: Studios aren’t interested in docs.

PG: Brand Entertainment

JR: “Anything you have to do makes it a harder sell”

JR: “Romantic comedy is hard - where do you go - everything has been done.”

(Note: Harvey Weinstein just purchased the romantic comedy “The Submarine” at Toronto IFF. I’ve seen a lot of really adorable independent romantic comedies over the past few years. It’s not that it is not being done. It is more that Hollywood just isn’t doing it.)

PG: Are new directors worth taking a risk on?

JR: You can help people who don’t have everything. If he’s bad at post there are people who can help in that area, etc.

JR: Use private investors and studios. Venture capital in Silicone Valley has always stayed away from movies. Digital distribution has brought Silicone Valley into the picture. (Which shows the potential power and force the online industry will be.)

JR: Most important thing for a producer to learn is how to read scripts. Roth worked as a reader in the early years. That is where he learned how to read scripts. He expects them to be formatted properly and the appropriate number of pages.

JR: Video games and movies are different businesses.

JR: Too dumb to quit.

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So the question begs, why did the Hollywood Reporter mainly mention how Roth feels studios should own theaters instead of how important good material is and how people in power need the indie filmmaker.

The reason is probably multi-faceted starting with time-crunched, over-worked under-paid writers who have to grab headlines that their boss will approve of and the need to fit an article into a certain number of words mixed with the complete lack and disrespect we show for artists and culture as a whole and the movement over the past few decades to dumb down films as if it were a gnarly game of limbo.

Why theaters instead of how the people in power need indie filmmakers? Theaters have big budgets that buy ad space. Indie filmmakers don’t have a pot to piss in. Perhaps in part because they are constantly relegated to the sidelines by middlemen like news media and distributors. News media can’t make a living off independent filmmakers while it is simply not in a distributor’s interest to inform and empower a filmmaker when they can just snag the film instead.

It’s the power of persuasion. Here is today’s typical scenerio.
1)Tell a filmmaker his work is worthless.
2)Get a better deal.
3)Run off with the profits.
4)Have the filmmaker grovel back the next time he makes a film.
5)Continue to steal his library while he begs you to do it.
6)Rinse and repeat.

Word to the wise. Once you realize you were a victim you no longer are. At the point of understanding you become a willing participant. So, if you want to slave away on a film putting your heart, money, soul and time into it to give to someone else blindlessly... well, I say, ‘Go for it!’. It’s a choice. A fool and his money will soon be parted. You do not need to be foolish. Understand the game. Show up and start making some serious cash from the film you created!


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Side Note: The Power of Marketing So my daughter and I walk into the theater where she sees a “Bloomberg Presents” sign and she says, “Man, he’s everywhere.” Then, as we enter the cinema a lady smiles and hands her a “Bloomberg Businessweek”. She takes it says, “I didn’t know he had a magazine.” Sits down. Opens it up. Says, “Hey, we should subscribe to this.” My response, “You’re exactly why marketing works and precisely why Bloomberg sponsors such events.”

Tuesday, May 3, 2011

Use Withoutabox (WAB) = Surrender Content Rights (ie. Uploaded film rights)

Withoutabox's Terms of Service agreement is long and by signing into your account you are agreeing to it!

Under Item 13 it states, in short, that while Withoutabox (WAB) 'does not acquire any right or ownership' of your work when you use their service YOU AGREE TO GRANT Withoutabox IRREVOCABLE, non-exclusive, ROYALTY-FREE, perpetual and fully sublicensable right to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, create derivative works from , distribute and display ANY MATERIAL YOU SUBMIT TO WITHOUTABOX INCLUDING CONTENT throughout the world IN ANY MEDIA. You further grant WAB and their sublicensees the right to use the name you submit in connection with the material.

Did you know that? In short, the moment you log onto WAB you give them permission FOREVER to sell your film anywhere in the world. They keep all money earned from your film (and anything else you upload or add to their site).

Basically, WAB is stealing all the content they can from naive and vulnerable filmmakers.

Submit directly to festivals. Do not use WAB or any other entity that forces you to surrender your rights to them! YOUR WORK IS VERY VALUABLE (or else WAB wouldn't want it so bad) SO PROTECT IT!!!

It is fair to say that WAB is a wolf in sheep's clothing preying on filmmakers...

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The long version via Withoutabox's log in page...

13. Proprietary rights, limitations on use

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The below comments are from Facebook. I thought the comments would be better served here. So, I have added them. I hope this is valuable information for filmmakers! Sometimes it is hard for filmmakers to believe that their rights can so easily be taken away. Awareness was the point of this article. Filmmakers need to read everything and understand that their rights are at stake and must be adamantly protected. Your films are very valuable. Any entity that says otherwise while at the same time tries to get you to give them your film for free should be looked at with suspicion. Keep your rights or someone else will profit from your film!

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  • Meagan D. Clark Yikes!
    5 hours ago ·
  • Christine Scott Exactly, and the big problem is that most filmmakers are unaware of this innocently thinking that WAB is simply providing a service to them.
    4 hours ago ·
  • Greg Runnels It is a wonder to me why most Film Festivals in Europe do not charge a fee, while there are start ups on WAB that charge $$$.
    4 hours ago ·
  • Christine Scott
    Most film festivals in Europe are funded by the EU, their respective country, the region within which they live and/or their city. This allows European film festivals to be fully funded without the aid of submission fees. It also obligates them to tow the party line and accept the films that the funders approve of or risk not being funded again. This often creates a barrier for independent filmmakers who were not funded by a government entity as most would rather have films screened that they also supported initially... it makes them look better and proves their choices in funding were worthwhile.
    4 hours ago ·
  • Chris Taylor
    Christine, I read your blog post --I think you are off base on your interpretation. Your statement that submitting your film to film festivals via WAB allows them unfettered royalty free use of that film is not correct, as I read the TOS. What they are claiming is that material you submit to them--in my case that would have been a press kit, a director's statement, stills, a trailer, etc--they can distribute that as requested by interested film festivals. That seems to be exactly what I want from WAB.
    46 minutes ago ·
  • Chris Taylor Part 2--Now if you elect to enter into a VOD agreement with WAB, that is different...but I don't see any language that requires you to upload your movie to their site.
    44 minutes ago ·
  • Christine Scott Chris - you are absolutely right in terms of what you gave them access to. If that is what you have submitted then that is exactly what they will have rights to. Not bad. I see no harm in allowing WAB or any other entity the freedom to promote and publicize your work. If a person submits a film the person is then giving WAB access to that 'irrevocable' and 'royalty-free".
    43 minutes ago ·
  • Christine Scott Part 2 - VOD is a non-conversation. If you give WAB irrevocable, non-exclusive and royalty-free rights to any content you upload onto their site then you have just said they can do whatever they want with your film forever including, but not limited to, VOD.
    41 minutes ago ·
  • Christine Scott Part 2 cont. There is no language which requires you to upload your film. It is a choice. Most filmmakers are not aware that uploading their film gives WAB lifetime, non-exclusive rights to their film. I believe they have a right to know. Film rights are not the only rights at stake, but certainly they are the most valuable rights.
    39 minutes ago ·
  • Christine Scott WAB's statement specific to content, "you do grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, and fully sublicensable right to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, and display any material you submit to us, including Content, throughout the world in any media."
    32 minutes ago ·
  • Chris Taylor Christine, I do not think that WAB is trying to trick anybody here. What I responded to in your blog post was the notion and the tone of your post (really an accusation) that WAB is trying to take advantage of naive filmmakers. I think that anybody that has the talent to finish a film also has the smarts not to upload their film to any online site without knowing what's going to happen.
    27 minutes ago ·
  • Chris Taylor Your quote: "It is fair to say that WAB is a wolf in sheep's clothing..." That seems needlessly inflammatory...
    23 minutes ago ·
  • Christine Scott
    I believe you are very much mistaken there, Chris. I believe filmmakers are for the most part quite unaware that they are surrendering their rights FOREVER to WAB when they upload their films. The only place WAB says it (to my knowledge) is in fine print, in the 13th term of service agreement that everyone agrees by simply logging onto the site. Let's say a filmmaker uploads their film to WAB so festivals can consider it online (WAB's selling point is that it saves time and money with no mention of the surrendered rights of uploaded content), who would think such a simple upload would surrender one's rights? The problem is that people do not know what they are getting into, not that they are okay with giving up the rights to a film they worked so hard to create. I agree it is hard to believe and I know it is hard for filmmakers to come forward about this since they probably feel fairly vulnerable in this area. Any filmmaker that was unaware of their lose of rights when uploading onto WAB was probably, as you say, 'tricked'.
    18 minutes ago ·
  • Chris Taylor
    One other note that is germane to the specific language you are quoting--there are times that a filmmaker has exhausted all the "for pay" options of distribution--and just wants to get the film seen by any means possible--this is exactly the service that WAB is offering here, and I can see how this could fill a niche that is valuable. If you don't want it, then don't upload your film, and by the way, WAB is very clear about this on the opening page of the website.
    17 minutes ago ·
  • Christine Scott
    Chris, filmmakers are regularly told not to do the business end but to leave that to the business people. Far too many filmmakers have told me they aren't business people. Many don't even think of publicity or distribution. Do you have any idea how little filmmakers make (if anything) on distribution deals? The industry does not protect or work on the behalf of filmmakers. The post was written to work toward enlightening, informing and helping to create change. If filmmakers know beforehand that they will be surrendering their rights (albeit 'non-exclusively') to WAB by uploading their content then they can make an informed decision before moving forward. Then it is a choice... rather than a deceitful or clandestine maneuver.
    12 minutes ago ·
  • Christine Scott No, actually, that is not at all the service WAB is offering here. WAB allows filmmakers to upload at the beginning of the process, not the end of it. This means that once your film is completely and ready to be entered to film festivals you can upload your entire film (short or long) onto WAB and they it can be shared online directly with any film festival you choose to pay to submit it to. This saves the filmmaker postage and the cost of dvds, etc. What these filmmakers generally don't know is that it also means they lose their exclusive rights FOREVER to WAB before the film is even out of the gate. Basically, it devalues the film forever. Let's say a site won't take their film because they can't have exclusive rights to it because WAB has chosen to put the film anywhere and everywhere (like Amazon or other AMZN subsidiaries). This potential hurts the financial income for that filmmaker not to mention DYI or traditional distribution deals for the filmmaker.
    6 minutes ago ·
  • Christine Scott As far as 'exhausted all the 'for pay' options for distribution'... it's simply too early for that. Don't throw your film away. Keep it. It is valuable. No one knows where the industry is going and no one has made indie films profitable for any online entity yet. Why then would any filmmaker give up their rights. Keep them. Ride it out. Own your rights when you can profit. Be patient and allow your patience to pay off. Keep strong, stay focus and loyal to your work. This is not what the industry tells filmmakers to do because it is not in the best interest for those building libraries if you keep your work. It is in their best interest if you give it to them while it is still worth nothing. Patience, due diligence and faith in one's work and value of one's work are essential in this game for now.

  • Chris Taylor LOL! Since I have spent the last 5 years making, publicizing, and distributing my doc, I know something about these issues. I disagree with your view of the language--and your portrayal of WAB in general. I'm ready to move on.
    8 minutes ago ·
  • Christine Scott Since you have spent the last 5 years making, publicizing and distributing your doc, please tell us how you have addressed the world of film rights and distribution. If you are the sole owner of your film have you given your rights to another or do you still control them? If you have signed a distribution deal who have you signed it with and what financial gains (real, not promised) have you seen from your 5 years of effort? It would be most interesting if you would share this information so we can all learn from your experience.
    a few seconds ago ·

  • Christine Scott
    Ohhhh.... you did Food Fight! I absolutely love this film. I'm so glad you made it and even happier if you were smart enough to hold onto your rights. That's not an easy task. I will remain in opposition of your stance while in such strong support of your work. We were so very pleased to screen your film. I hope it has been profitable for you. If so, you have simply made wiser and more astute choices then many. This is not the fault of others, more a willingness to be too trusting at times - as many of us tend to be with our food. You are dead wrong on this issue just as so many are when they blindly trust what our food industry and government say about food.
    about an hour ago ·
  • Chris Taylor I've made money off my distribution, Cargo for international, and Brainstorm for domestic. Great people, also I retained direct DVD sales. Thanks for your remembrance and words of support...
    about an hour ago ·
  • Christine Scott
    I'm so glad you retained DVD. I hope you have also retained VOD. Particularly for YOUR film. There is a huge niche audience for you online and when the time is right the market will be profitable for your film. My embrace of your film is nothing compared to the embrace it received at the festival. Your work inspires and educated people. Docs are one place where indie films can find niche audiences and make money. I hope you haven't felt like you have exhausted your resources. No one can make money online... yet. The only thing people are doing is gathering large libraries so they can later sell them for a profit. This benefits the middleman who takes the film from the creator. It is not a necessity, but it is the conversation spun over and over again to filmmakers. Most entities take the films after the film is made. WAB is taking it upfront. I am not wrong about the wording. It is so important that filmmakers understand what is at risk. Many, like yourself, have worked so hard to create such fabulous projects and then to have these works taken away because the filmmakers don't really believe that can be what the Terms of Service says just isn't right. Prove me wrong. Do you know how many films we watched online last year via WAB? So many filmmakers are doing this and completely unaware that they are losing their rights. It's not okay. It is an unacceptable devaluation of their most important currency - their film. You are an investigative film director. I'm glad you are questioning it. But do more than just decided that I'm wrong. Be sure I am. Do your homework. I understand how unfathomable it is to think filmmakers are unknowingly losing their rights... but what if they are? The terminology is clear. Ask WAB. See if you get a response and share that response with us.
    47 minutes ago ·